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		<title>How Hillary lost me for good</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve had concerns about Hillary&#8217;s candidacy for a long time but they have varied in intensity and focus over time.  My main initial concern was that I really didn&#8217;t want a legacy President but that she was vastly more qualified for the job than just about anyone else and that Obama was interesting but [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had concerns about Hillary&#8217;s candidacy for a long time but they have varied in intensity and focus over time.  My main initial concern was that I really didn&#8217;t want a legacy President but that she was vastly more qualified for the job than just about anyone else and that Obama was interesting but I knew very little about him and would happily have voted for her given the options available.  </p>
<p>So I began listening to other candidates and found Edwards the most interesting from a policy perspective and he became my candidate of choice, with Hillary second, primarily because of health care for both but his stands on other issues made him first on the list.  Obama was still interesting but, like Krugman, I felt his health care approach was inadequate.  Then Edwards dropped out and I began to look more closely at Obama and realized that I not only liked what I saw and heard there were significant differences in how he approached issues that I preferred to Hillary&#8217;s approach.  But I would still have happily voted for Clinton and remember saying so quite specifically after one of their one-on-one debates.  I was impressed by both.  </p>
<p>Then it became clear that he was the better campaigner, that he had scanned the landscape and mapped out a much clearer path to the nomination that included the widest range of America, and I really liked that, while she more and more began to resemble an old-line DLC candidate, and I definitely didn&#8217;t like that.  </p>
<p>But I would still have happily voted for her had she prevailed.  </p>
<p>Then came the early Spring and Obama showed amazing strength in the primaries and she showed amazing weakness, both in style and in tactics and he impressed me even more and her shortsightedness began to concern me.  </p>
<p>I was still quite willing to vote for her however, had she prevailed but I was now taking a very close look at Obama.  </p>
<p>Then the accusations of gender bias started coming out of the Clinton camp and not without justification in a certain sense because the more out-there Obama supporters sometimes exhibited such behavior and it was easy to cherry-pick that to focus on, but Obama didn&#8217;t nor did his close campaign people.  But that&#8217;s politics and to be expected, just as the subtle playing of the race card by Clinton surrogates was to be expected (the First Surrogate was a huge disappointment in that regard) but she didn&#8217;t do that and I wrote it off as typical politics.  </p>
<p>Then she began the &#8220;he&#8217;s not a Muslim, as far as I know&#8221; crap, that&#8217;s not a surrogate speaking, that&#8217;s her saying that.  But Obama was nothing but gracious in his response (while surrogates played the game surrogates played, I generally don&#8217;t blame the candidate that much for over-the-top supporters, some but not that much, on either side).  And then she made the absurd Bosnia statements, not once but many times and then claimed &#8220;fatigue&#8221; at the very time she was also putting out an ad stating that she&#8217;d be the best one to respond correctly to the 3 a.m phone call, rather a bit of cognitive dissonance there,  and then she made the &#8220;white Americans&#8221; statement which was truly bizarre and her campaign began to work that theme rather strongly while ignoring the reality that Obama has done quite well indeed in very white states, then they started pushing hard at the elitist argument (which I&#8217;ve always hated) and it became not just occasional surrogates talking but an actual campaign tactic which she herself echoed and it became much harder to think kindly of her as a candidate.  </p>
<p>But I still would have voted for her if it came to that.</p>
<p>Then she mentioned assassination (and it matters not what she &#8220;actually meant&#8221;, she said it and it was bad judgment to do so and no, I don&#8217;t think she was hoping for assassination) and then responded badly to being called on it and she lost me completely, especially as she continued to fail to thrive politically and began rewriting history and playing &#8220;if&#8221; games with numbers and whining about &#8220;counting every vote&#8221; because to disenfranchise voters is unDemocratic while she and her campaign continually sought to demean voters like me who live in caucus states by implying that we aren&#8217;t really representative of our states (and believe me anyone who actually attended an overcrowded caucus here knew better) and the dissonance of her campaign began to really bother me.  </p>
<p>And she lost my vote and because I live in a state that is so blue it blends in with the surrounding ocean I actually may not vote at all in the unlikely chance that she becomes the candidate.  </p>
<p>But she won&#8217;t, because she&#8217;s lost and she seems determined to bring down the Democratic Party along with her candidacy because if she can&#8217;t have it than no one can and I&#8217;ve had quite enough of that attitude for the last 8 years.  </p>
<p>And it doesn&#8217;t have a goddamned thing to do with sexism, nor does most of the opposition to her that I&#8217;ve seen from thoughtful liberals and progressives (the majority).  </p>
<p>There are still things that concern me about Obama&#8217;s policies, on health care for sure, but from what I&#8217;ve seen his campaign has been the one behaving the most honorably and with the most concern for the nation while hers has appeared deeply ego driven (notwithstanding that it takes a big ego to run for that office at all).  </p>
<p>I rather like a quote I saw recently  &#8220;when I go into the voting booth and pull the lever for Obama I still cry out Edwards&#8217; name&#8221; and that is still the case with me but I will be extremely happy to be able to vote for Obama because he&#8217;s lightyears better than anyone else out there now, sadly including Hillary.  </p>
<p>I have also asked, as have others, time and again for some reasons why those in here who support her do so and haven&#8217;t gotten much in the way of an answer.  </p>
<p>My wife, who is around Hillary&#8217;s age, is furious with her, even more so than I am.  She is disappointed precisely because she saw Hillary as a great candidate to be the first woman President and feels truly let down by what is happening.  All the complaints listed about the Obama campaign in <a href="http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/05/obama-clinton-vote-usa-media">this article in Britain&#8217;s New Statesman</a> are the very things that the Clintons say are necessary in terms of tactics to &#8220;season&#8221; Obama as a candidate (for the future) when it comes from their side.  Either the behavior is acceptable or it isn&#8217;t and my wife and I come down on the &#8220;it isn&#8217;t acceptable&#8221; from either camp but the level of such behavior from the Clinton side is just becoming too much to bear.</p>
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		<title>GritTV a great source of progressive news and views.</title>
		<link>http://talknation.org/2008/05/14/grittv-a-great-source-of-progressive-news-and-views/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>George Bush the new Saddam?</title>
		<link>http://talknation.org/2007/09/20/george-bush-the-new-saddam/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Probably the best article I&#8217;ve read on the situation in Iraq and it comes from a Canadian publication, Macleans.  Free of spin and ideology the author speaks from direct experience outside the protective bubble of US propaganda but also outside of the internal American political debate as well.  Iran is seriously engaged in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably the <a href="http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20070920_100442_7900&#038;source=srch&#038;page=1">best article I&#8217;ve read</a> on the situation in Iraq and it comes from a Canadian publication, <a href="http://www.macleans.ca/index.jsp">Macleans</a>.  Free of spin and ideology the author speaks from direct experience outside the protective bubble of US propaganda but also outside of the internal American political debate as well.  Iran is seriously engaged in Iraq, but not quite as the US administration would have us believe and in fact as a direct result, along with the pipsqueak but deadly AQ in Iraq, of our invasion and utterly screwed up occupation.</p>
<p>An excerpt, but read the whole article and learn:</p>
<blockquote><p>America’s other main enemy is al-Qaeda in Iraq, which is to Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda what a cheap watch is to a Swiss timepiece—effective, easily reproduced, and disposable. Al-Qaeda did not exist in Iraq before the invasion, but today it, along with Iran, are the two strongest arguments the U.S. makes for “staying the course.” Al-Qaeda in Iraq is essentially a religious criminal gang that kills anyone who threatens its power or differs from its Salafist views on establishing a perverse form of an Islamic state. Its death squads and enormously destructive truck bombs have killed thousands of Shias, but Sunnis, too, have suffered al-Qaeda’s violent nihilism. Car bombs, assassinations and “religious punishments,” including decapitations and cutting off the fingers of smokers, have put Sunni Iraq under a Mordor-like shadow of terror and justified collective punishment from the Shias. In his testimony to Congress, Gen. Petraeus pointed out the lethal threat of al-Qaeda. But this should come as no surprise to an American general—because the U.S. Army helped create al-Qaeda in Iraq.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Today&#8217;s Republican Party in a nutshell</title>
		<link>http://talknation.org/2007/09/13/todays-republican-party-in-a-nutshell/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But what&#8217;s really true is that, like Jane Smiley, I too have seen this coming.  The behavior of  today&#8217;s Republican Party is a direct outgrowth of its historical political posturing and policy-making.  I think for me that awareness came the day my father, a lifelong Republican and a conservative in the traditional [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what&#8217;s really true is that, <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/the-shock-doctrine_b_64306.html">like Jane Smiley</a>, I too have seen this coming.  The behavior of  today&#8217;s Republican Party is a direct outgrowth of its historical political posturing and policy-making.  I think for me that awareness came the day my father, a lifelong Republican and a conservative in the traditional mold, announced that given the behavior and policies of Richard Nixon he would henceforth never again vote for a Republican.  That was over 30 years ago but Dad could see the writing on the wall even then.  It is no coincidence that two of the Nixon Administration alumni most angered by Nixon&#8217;s downfall and most dedicated to creating an Imperial Presidency with all its trappings of power and privilege, are Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, in my opinion the two most responsible for the current ongoing destruction of a United States governed by its Constitution.</p>
<p>From the Smiley commentary, but read the whole thing.  It&#8217;s a winner.</p>
<blockquote><p>I don&#8217;t doubt Dean. I always thought that for a Republican, he had something of a conscience. What amazes me is that Republicans who are now exclaiming at what has happened to the Republican Party (and yes, I talked to my mother this morning) didn&#8217;t see this coming. Everything, every value, that the Republicans have held up for my lifetime as desirable has been pointing us in this direction. As I&#8217;ve said before on the HuffPost, all of this is the necessary consequence of traditional Republican values, not an accidental byproduct. Or maybe I&#8217;ll put it this way &#8212; when you reject common humanity, value profits above people, practice sectarian religion, feel contempt for the choices of others, exalt wealth, conflate consumersim with citizenship, join exclusive clubs, daily practice unkindness rather than kindness, and develop theories, such as those of free market capitalism, that allow you to congratulate yourself morally for selfishness and short-sightedness, then being a gang member is in your future.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Seven soldiers</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few weeks ago 7 soldiers, mostly sergeants, serving in Iraq wrote a scathing Op-Ed for the NYTimes voicing their frustrations with the mission, the failure of leadership and the desperate condition of our military in Iraq.  Their voices mostly disappeared into the ether, with little or no mention in the major media, no [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks ago 7 soldiers, mostly sergeants, serving in Iraq wrote a scathing <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/opinion/19jayamaha.html?pagewanted=1&#038;ei=5090&#038;en=5a8349a0e944e61b&#038;ex=1345176000&#038;partner=rssuserland&#038;emc=rss">Op-Ed for the NYTimes</a> voicing their frustrations with the mission, the failure of leadership and the desperate condition of our military in Iraq.  Their voices mostly disappeared into the ether, with little or no mention in the major media, no followup, no commentary and no interviews.  </p>
<p>Contrast that with the two civilians, Michael O&#8217;Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack - war supporters inaccurately put forth as critics, who spent a couple of days on a Pentagon scripted junket to Iraq and wrote their own Op-Ed in the NYTimes gushing about how swimmingly the war was going and that &#8220;we might just win&#8221;.  Notwithstanding that such a sentiment is hardly what could be considered overwhelmingly positive it was touted endlessly in virtually all media outlets as &#8220;proof&#8221; that even &#8220;war critics&#8221; like O&#8217;Hanlon and Pollack were now convinced the surge was working and Iraq was a glorious Bush victory-in-waiting (we just might win!).</p>
<p>The soldiers saw it differently.<br />
<blockquote>VIEWED from Iraq at the tail end of a 15-month deployment, the political debate in Washington is indeed surreal. Counterinsurgency is, by definition, a competition between insurgents and counterinsurgents for the control and support of a population. To believe that Americans, with an occupying force that long ago outlived its reluctant welcome, can win over a recalcitrant local population and win this counterinsurgency is far-fetched. As responsible infantrymen and noncommissioned officers with the 82nd Airborne Division soon heading back home, we are skeptical of recent press coverage portraying the conflict as increasingly manageable and feel it has neglected the mounting civil, political and social unrest we see every day.</p></blockquote>
<p>And now the ultimate insult to these brave soldiers, who were ridiculed by rightwingnuts everywhere as disgruntled malcontents or simply ignored  (nothing to see here, let&#8217;s move on).  Of the seven soldiers who contributed to that Op-Ed piece one was gravely wounded before it was even published (he survived with a serious head wound) and now comes word that two other sergeants, Staff Sergeant Yance Gray and Sergeant Omar Mora, <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/12/iraq.soldiers.dead/index.html">died a couple of days ago along with 5 other soldiers in vehicle accident in Iraq</a>.</p>
<p>It has been popular to dismiss comments about how so many of the wingnuts cheerleading this war are &#8220;chickenhawks&#8221; by saying they have the freedom to choose but to have brave soldiers like these sergeants who are brave not only in battle but in bucking the wingnut military propaganda mentality unfortunately so prevalent in today&#8217;s military with the courage to state their opinions clearly and forcefully, have to lose their lives in this war is the ultimate insult by all war supporters.</p>
<p>Support the troops?  Bush and his ilk don&#8217;t know what that means.  Honor our soldiers?  They haven&#8217;t a clue.  </p>
<p>I mourn for these fine men and for all the fine men and women whose lives have been sacrificed in this unnecessary war which seems designed only to feed Bush and Cheney&#8217;s sick, twisted egos.</p>
<p>The level of disgust I feel now not only towards Bush and Cheney but to our politicians, Democratic or Republican, who sit by and do nothing and to the pathetic Fox News addicts cheerleading this disaster.</p>
<p>The American I grew up in may never exist again.  These people are destroying our country.</p>
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		<title>Sometimes they get out  alive</title>
		<link>http://talknation.org/2007/09/06/sometimes-they-get-out-alive/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Riverbend is alive and well and now in Syria, having successfully escaped the surging hell that was her home city in Baghdad.  She&#8217;s been offline for about 4 months since announcing that they would be leaving Iraq and her latest entry explains the difficulties they encountered in just getting a ride, let alone getting [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/">Riverbend</a> is alive and well and now in Syria, having successfully escaped the surging hell that was her home city in Baghdad.  She&#8217;s been offline for about 4 months since announcing that they would be leaving Iraq and her <a href="http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_riverbendblog_archive.html#828763212765794127#828763212765794127">latest entry</a> explains the difficulties they encountered in just getting a ride, let alone getting out of the country.</p>
<blockquote><p>How is it that a border no one can see or touch stands between car bombs, militias, death squads and… peace, safety? It’s difficult to believe- even now. I sit here and write this and wonder why I can’t hear the explosions.</p>
<p>I wonder at how the windows don’t rattle as the planes pass overhead. I’m trying to rid myself of the expectation that armed people in black will break through the door and into our lives. I’m trying to let my eyes grow accustomed to streets free of road blocks, hummers and pictures of Muqtada and the rest…</p>
<p>How is it that all of this lies a short car ride away?</p></blockquote>
<p>How is it indeed?  And how is it that our Dear Leader cannot understand that simple fact, that getting out is so much better than staying with the bullets and the bombs and the death squads?  That our very presence has robbed Iraqis of those very simple human realities as safety in one&#8217;s person and the comfort of friends and neighbors and a functioning infrastructure and the realities of daily life?</p>
<p>We have robbed these good people of so much and all because Bush apparently bought into the Vietnam rhetoric of &#8220;we had to destroy the village in order to save it&#8221; so much that he escalated it to &#8220;we had to destroy the nation in order to save it&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>They are criminals, treat them as such</title>
		<link>http://talknation.org/2007/08/08/they-are-criminals-treat-them-as-such/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I don&#8217;t mean George Bush, Dick Cheney or their gang of thugs though lord knows they are criminals too.  I&#8217;m referring to the excellent Wesley Clark Op-Ed piece in today&#8217;s NYTimes that spells out, in ways even a fifth grader can understand (at least one who attends a school where social studies hasn&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t mean George Bush, Dick Cheney or their gang of thugs though lord knows they are criminals too.  I&#8217;m referring to the excellent <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/opinion/08clark.html?hp">Wesley Clark Op-Ed</a> piece in today&#8217;s NYTimes that spells out, in ways even a fifth grader can understand (at least one who attends a school where social studies hasn&#8217;t been scrapped) exactly why our current behavior concerning terrorists not only won&#8217;t work it makes things worse, not better. [emphasis mine]</p>
<blockquote><p>If we are to defeat terrorists across the globe, we must do everything possible to deny legitimacy to their aims and means, and gain legitimacy for ourselves. As a result, terrorism should be fought first with information exchanges and law enforcement, then with more effective domestic security measures. Only as a last resort should we call on the military and label such activities “war.” The formula for defeating terrorism is well known and time-proven.</p>
<p>Labeling terrorists as combatants also leads to this paradox: while the deliberate killing of civilians is never permitted in war, it is legal to target a military installation or asset. Thus the attack by Al Qaeda on the destroyer Cole in Yemen in 2000 would be allowed, as well as attacks on command and control centers like the Pentagon. For all these reasons, the more appropriate designation for terrorists is not “unlawful combatant” but the one long used by the United States: <b>criminal</b>. </p></blockquote>
<p>They are criminals, they have always been criminals.  Treating them as the second-coming of the Evil Empire is simply ludicrous and gives them an aura of power and influence they simply don&#8217;t have, even today after 6 years of bush&#8217;s bullshit.  They are still criminals and if we want to truly treat them with contempt we&#8217;ll lump them in with rapists, murderers and thieves and other common criminals and we&#8217;ll track them down with the only process that works, international criminal investigations, trials and jail.  Even executing them is a bad idea because that just creates martyrs.  Throw them in a hole and toss down food a couple of times a day.  They need to be in the dark, not having us (in the person of bush/cheney) shining bright lights on them and giving them the endless attention they crave.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell the only terrorists this country has ever successfully sussed out, captured, prosecuted and sent to prison are the Blind Sheik and his followers who were responsible for the first WTC bombing.  Bill Clinton did that, remember?  They were found out by police work, they were tracked down with international cooperation (some were caught here some were caught elsewhere) and they were tried, convicted and sentenced in this country.  That&#8217;s how it&#8217;s supposed to work but from the looks of things bush is doing absolutely everything he can to ensure that we will never be able to actually deal with the people who masterminded the attack in NY and D.C.  It seems to be the only thing he&#8217;s been successful at in his entire tenure as President.  Everything he&#8217;s done has worked against tracking down and punishing the terrorists and by golly, it&#8217;s worked like a charm.  They are still out there.  Way to go Junior.</p>
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		<title>Radical Christian Terrorist killed trying to assassinate Colorado Governor!</title>
		<link>http://talknation.org/2007/08/04/radical-christian-terrorist-killed-trying-to-assassinate-colorado-governor/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What?  You don&#8217;t remember that headline from today&#8217;s Denver Post?  That&#8217;s because the actual headline was &#8220;Capitol gunman&#8217;s notes bizarre&#8221;
The article goes on to say
In his writings, Snyder had a preoccupation with abortion. In one entry, he said it was his responsibility as sovereign ruler to stop abortion at once. In another entry, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?  You don&#8217;t remember that headline from today&#8217;s Denver Post?  That&#8217;s because the actual headline was <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_6537192">&#8220;Capitol gunman&#8217;s notes bizarre&#8221;</a></p>
<p>The article goes on to say<br />
<blockquote>In his writings, Snyder had a preoccupation with abortion. In one entry, he said it was his responsibility as sovereign ruler to stop abortion at once. In another entry, he said he would show mercy and pardon all women who had abortions.</p>
<p>He also had numerous references to Jesus Christ, quoted Bible passages and made plans to exercise at a gym every day.</p>
<p>&#8220;God is preparing me mentally to kill thousands of police officers,&#8221; he wrote at one point. &#8220;In the streets, all slain.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Yep, if he&#8217;d looked even slightly Arabic and had ranted about Muhammad and Allah instead of Jesus and God it would have warranted all day coverage on Fox Noise and scary pronouncements about the constant danger of radical Islam.  You know, like that terror cell in Miami made up of homeless guys who supposedly wanted to bring down the Sears Tower in Chicago but couldn&#8217;t find it on a map and thought they needed uniforms first.  </p>
<p>I should also note that there have been more domestic terror attacks by radical self-identified Christians in this country, from bombings to murders to &#8220;terroristic threatening&#8221; behavior, than by self-identified Islamic extremists even though the Islamic extremists were able to have a bigger impact.  Oh, and the Christian terrorists are all Americans attacking Americans, which in my book makes it far worse in terms of terror because it really could be your neighbor.</p>
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		<title>Watch this, again and again</title>
		<link>http://talknation.org/2007/07/15/watch-this-again-and-again/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce Fein of the American Enterprise Institute is no liberal, he&#8217;s as conservative as they come and I likely disagree with him 80% of the time on 80% of the issues, but he loves his Constitution and this thoughtful, engaging discussion between Bruce Fein, Bill Moyers and The Nation&#8217;s John Nichols is fascinating and revealing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Fein of the American Enterprise Institute is no liberal, he&#8217;s as conservative as they come and I likely disagree with him 80% of the time on 80% of the issues, but he loves his Constitution and <a href="http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html">this thoughtful, engaging discussion between Bruce Fein, Bill Moyers and The Nation&#8217;s John Nichols</a> is fascinating and revealing as much for its rarity in today&#8217;s media as for its civility.</p>
<p>And note that it is Bruce Fein that raises the comparison between Sara Taylor&#8217;s invoking of her non-existent &#8220;oath to the President&#8221; (forgetting that little thing known as the Constitution) and Nazi party members oath to the Fuehrer.  Imagine had it been Moyers who had said that, it would have been blared in screaming headlines of Fox and ABC for days.</p>
<p>That this sort of thing is lost in the weeds of PBS is a disgrace and more illustrative of the shame of today&#8217;s media than anything I&#8217;ve seen lately and compare it to the previous link below to how Lindsey Graham behaved towards Jim Webb.</p>
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		<title>What our government has done to our troops</title>
		<link>http://talknation.org/2007/07/15/what-our-government-has-done-to-our-troops/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Make no mistake about it, this is a direct result not only of illegal invasion and occupation but of the bush/cheney policies that took us there and the insanity of politicians like Lindsey Graham and John McCain and all the other Republican candidates for the nomination in 2008.
From the first link:
 Lopezromo said a procedure [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make no mistake about it, <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/15/marines.iraq.ap/index.html">this is a direct result</a> not only of illegal invasion and occupation but of the bush/cheney policies that took us there and the <a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/15/jim-webb-rips-into-graham-for-putting-political-words-in-our-soldiers-mouths/">insanity of politicians like Lindsey Graham</a> and John McCain and all the other Republican candidates for the nomination in 2008.</p>
<p>From the first link:<br />
<blockquote> Lopezromo said a procedure called &#8220;dead-checking&#8221; was routine. If Marines entered a house where a man was wounded, instead of checking to see whether he needed medical aid, they shot him to make sure he was dead, he testified.</p>
<p>&#8220;If somebody is worth shooting once, they&#8217;re worth shooting twice,&#8221; he said.</p></blockquote>
<p>And the panicked chatter in the video at the second link from Huckleberry Graham, who is looking and sounding more and more like a deranged serial killer version of Mr. Rogers, is truly pathetic.</p>
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